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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Copper Age Sleepers Reply with quote

What would these be, if any? Would any of the following be considered good Copper Age sleepers?

Acme Novelty Library #1 (1993) (Introduces Jimmy Corrigan)

Action Comics #583

Akira#1 (1988) (Early American Manga)

All-Star Squadron #47 (Todd McFarlane Art)

Animal Man #1 (1988)

Blip #1 (1st Donkey Kong and Mario in comics)

Bucky O Hare #1 (1991)

Contest of Champions #1

Dark Horse Presents #1 (1986)

Dark Horse Presents #10 (1st Mask)

Dark Horse Presents #36 (Alien vs. Predator)

Dark Horse Presents #47 (1986)

Doom Patrol #19

Dreadstar #1 (1982)

Fantasy Illustrated #1 (Craig Russell Cover, Ditko Art)

Faust #1 (1989)

Femforce #1 (1985)

Grendel #1 (1986)

Groo the Wanderer #1 (1982)

Hellblazer #27

Infinity Inc. #14

Incredible Hulk #324 (1st Grey Hulk since Hulk #1)

Incredible Hulk #330 (1st McFarlane Issue)

Justice League #1

Legion of Superheroes #259

Lone Wolf and Cub #1 (Frank miller Cover)

Lone Wolf and Cub #45 (Last Issue, Low Print)

Machine Man #19 (1st appearance of Jack O Lantern, later 2nd Hobgoblin)

Mage #1

Mage #6

Marvel Fanfare #1

Marvel Graphic Novel #1

Marvel Graphic Novel #5

Megaton #1

Megaton #3

Ms. Mystic #1 (Neal Adams)

The Nam #1 (Michael Golden Art)

New Gods #6 (48 Page of New Kirby Art)

The New Teen Titans #1 (1st Changeling)

Nexus #1 (1981)

Nick Fury vs. SHIELD #2 (Sienkiewicz Cover, Low Print Run)

Omega Men #3 (1st Lobo)

Pacific Presents #1 (Rocketeer)

Pacific Presents #2 (4th Rocketeer)

Pacific Presents #3 (1984)

Pacific Presents #4 (1st Vanity)

Phoenix #1 (Byrne/Austin, features unpublished ending to X-Men #137)

Poison Elves #8 (1st in own title)

Poison Elves #13 (Low Print Run)

Poison Elves (15 (Low Print Run)

Predator #1 (1st Predator in comics)

Punisher #1 (on-going)

The Rocketeer Adventure Magazine #1 (1st Jonas)

The Rocketeer Special Edition #1 (Stevens Cover/Art)

Rog 2000 #1 (Byrne Cover/Art, 1982)

Ronin #6

Savage She-Hulk #1 (1st She-Hulk)

Silver Surfer #1 (1987)

Simpsons Comics #1

Sonic the Hedgehog #1

Spawn #18 (Morrison Script, Low Print Run)

Spawn #21 (Low Distribution)

Spectacular Spider-Man #64 (1st Cloak and Dagger)

Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1 (Death of Ned Leeds)

Star Slayer #2

Star Trek #17 (1980 series) (Low Print Run)

Star Trek #18 (1980 series) (Low Print Run)

Star Wars: Dark Empire #2 (Low Print Run)

Terminator: Burning Earth #1

Thor #337

Transformers #75 (Low Print Run)

Unknown Soldier #268 (Death of Unknown Soldier)

Usagi Yojimba #1 (1987)

War #47 (Low Print Run, Last Issue)

Wonder Woman #0 (Zero Hour)

Wonder Woman #1 (New Origin, Perez Cover/Art)

X-Factor #6 (1st full Apocalypse)

X-Factor #24 (1st Archangel)

X-Men #201 (1st Cable as a Baby)

X-Men #205 (Wolverine Solo Story, Windsor-Smith Art)

X-Men Annual #14 (1st Gambit)

Zot! #1 (1st Zot)

Zot! #10 (Ashcan)

Zot! #11 (1st New Stories)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the general population is ever going to recognize the X-Men Annual as the 1st appearance of Gambit.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slym2none wrote:
I don't think the general population is ever going to recognize the X-Men Annual as the 1st appearance of Gambit.

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Damn them. Those are the same people that keep my Marvel Team-Up #141 available for under $10. Frustrated
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Copper Age Sleepers Reply with quote

Stan Lee wrote:

Omega Men #3 (1st Lobo)


Definite monster of a sleeper. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slym2none wrote:
I don't think the general population is ever going to recognize the X-Men Annual as the 1st appearance of Gambit.

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But it has sleeper hit potential. Think of Hulk 180 as a parallel. If Uncanny 266 ever really takes off in price and popularity, then this book has a chance...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The New Teen Titans #1 (1st Changeling)


You're talking about the Gar Logan character, right? Well, I guess NTT #1 was the first time he was called Changeling, but his first appearance was in Doom Patrol #99, I believe (as Beast Boy).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got some real oddball books on that list. I think some of them are way too deep of sleepers, meaning they may never wake up!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother J wrote:
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The New Teen Titans #1 (1st Changeling)


You're talking about the Gar Logan character, right? Well, I guess NTT #1 was the first time he was called Changeling, but his first appearance was in Doom Patrol #99, I believe (as Beast Boy).


In the OSPG it said 1st next to his name, I didn't if that meant it was his first appearence or if it was referring to someone else.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother J wrote:
You've got some real oddball books on that list. I think some of them are way too deep of sleepers, meaning they may never wake up!


Which ones specifically?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Lee wrote:
Brother J wrote:
You've got some real oddball books on that list. I think some of them are way too deep of sleepers, meaning they may never wake up!


Which ones specifically?


The Zot ones come to mind immediately. I think if you're going for an issue of that to be worth something, #34 (the last issue) is probably the best you'll be able to do. Personally, I think all appearances of 9-Jack-9 should go for a premium, but that's just because I think he's a kickass villain.

The Continuity books (Bucky O'Hare and Ms. Mystic), I just don't see it. Just not quality enough in my opinion and the print runs were pretty high. Good creators on them in Golden and Adams, but not their best works.

Why Wonder Woman #0 over any of the other zero issues by DC? Maybe there's a storyline reason you can explain to me.

I think the hype over those two Spawn issues will never return. I think the print runs were only small in comparison to the huge print runs of the other issues.

Rog 2000, eh, again, it's Byrne, but not his best work. I'm not sure, but isn't the Pacific Rog 2000 book just reprints from the old Charlton comics Byrne did?

Posion Elves, I think any of the magazine sized ones are good if you can get them cheap, but I don't think just because the name changed from I, Lusiphur to Poison Elves that #8 will be worth any more than the surrounding issues. I think all the print runs on the Mulehide issues were smaller, so again, don't see much reason for a premium on #13 and #15 from the surrounding issues.

Pacific Presents #4 (1st Vanity) Who? I've actually heard of the character, but I don't see any reason why the book would become hot all of the sudden, unless they make a movie or something... Razz

Nick Fury #2 -same as the Spawn issues, print run is only small in comparison, still a ton of them out there.

What happened in Legion #259?

I like the Legion Baxter series #37 and #38 that had the crossover story with John Byrne's Superman books. They still seem hard to find, those issues are always missing when you find a run of those books for sale.

Fantasy Illustrated #1, just looked it up, nice cover, but not sure why it might go up in value.

Dakr Horse Presents #47...why? I was hoping maybe you meant DC Comics Presents #47 (Masters of the Universe)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm agreeing with Brother J on this.

For something to wake up, there has to be a spark. Most keys establish themselves within the first 10 years. The blue chip items become the focus and those always stick out and stay noteworthy. Sleepers have to have something else going for it. 1st appearances wallowing in a sea of other first appearances don't have an advantage. People may buy them first, but they aren't in a hurry unless there is something more to it. Low print runs aren't enough unless you can't find a copy at all. Again, they'll sell first, but people will just keep waiting.
In most of the predictions above, the supply far outweighs the demand. Early Pacific issues are printed in pretty large numbers. Continuity never earned any clout and when you do see a dead universe comic go for more, it's the incentive books. It's the rare ones going for more, not the commons. Indy characters that don't do anything outside of comics don't attract sales from the mainstream public. Even if they are successful, people have to have been endeared to them.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibis wrote:
I'm agreeing with Brother J on this.

For something to wake up, there has to be a spark. Most keys establish themselves within the first 10 years. The blue chip items become the focus and those always stick out and stay noteworthy. Sleepers have to have something else going for it. 1st appearances wallowing in a sea of other first appearances don't have an advantage. People may buy them first, but they aren't in a hurry unless there is something more to it. Low print runs aren't enough unless you can't find a copy at all. Again, they'll sell first, but people will just keep waiting.
In most of the predictions above, the supply far outweighs the demand. Early Pacific issues are printed in pretty large numbers. Continuity never earned any clout and when you do see a dead universe comic go for more, it's the incentive books. It's the rare ones going for more, not the commons. Indy characters that don't do anything outside of comics don't attract sales from the mainstream public. Even if they are successful, people have to have been endeared to them.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother J wrote:
The Zot ones come to mind immediately. I think if you're going for an issue of that to be worth something, #34 (the last issue) is probably the best you'll be able to do. Personally, I think all appearances of 9-Jack-9 should go for a premium, but that's just because I think he's a kickass villain.


Actually #36 is the final issue.


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Rog 2000, eh, again, it's Byrne, but not his best work. I'm not sure, but isn't the Pacific Rog 2000 book just reprints from the old Charlton comics Byrne did?



Yeah it is. Also I think that there were pages switched around in the reprint. Rog 2000 stuff originally appeared in E-MAN and one story was from (I think) a fanzine that Byrne, Roger Stern, and Bob Layton worked on.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still trying to figure out your fascination with Groo and Simpsons #1. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brother J wrote:
Stan Lee wrote:
Brother J wrote:
You've got some real oddball books on that list. I think some of them are way too deep of sleepers, meaning they may never wake up!


Which ones specifically?



Pacific Presents #4 (1st Vanity) Who? I've actually heard of the character, but I don't see any reason why the book would become hot all of the sudden, unless they make a movie or something... Razz



What happened in Legion #259?



Dakr Horse Presents #47...why? I was hoping maybe you meant DC Comics Presents #47 (Masters of the Universe)


The Pacific Presents is an early Rocketeer appearence. I have no idea who Vanity is either.


Legion #259 is the first Legion of Superheros.

I don't know how Dark Horse presents got in their Think
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