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Investment Worthy 'Sleeper's' From The 1970's
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Investment Worthy 'Sleeper's' From The 1970's Reply with quote

Lobo wrote:
vault-keeper wrote:
I look for the biggest increases to occur among 'sleeper' books from the 70's and early 80's.


And which sleeper's might these be? Think

We should put together a top 10 list if one doesn't already exist.



Here's a 'secret' list of 70's sleepers (don't tell anyone you saw it here...):

Adventures - Planet of Apes #1 #1 Issue- 10/75
All-Star Comics #58 1st issue since 1951, 1st Powergirl - 2/76
All-Star Comics #69 1st Huntress (12/77)
All-Star Western #1 #1 Issue - 9/70
All-Star Western #2 1st ElDiablo - 11/70
Amazing Adventures #1 #1 Issue - 8/70
Amazing Adventures #11 New Beast (3/72)
Amazing Adventures #18 1st Killraven, Neal Adams art - 5/73
Army At War #1 #1 Issue - 11/78
Arrgh! #1 #1 Issue - 12/74
Batman Family #1 Popular Hero, #1 issue - 10/75;
Battlestar Galactica #1 #1 Issue (3/79)
Beowulf #1 #1 Issue (5/75)
Black Goliath #1 Rare Early Black Hero; #1 Issue - 2/76
Black Lightning #1 Rare Early Black Hero; #1 Issue - 4/77
Black Panther #1 Rare Early Black Hero: #1 Issue - 1/77
Blitzkrieg #1 #1 Issue (2/76)
Captain Britain #1 British Comic: #1 Issue - 10/76
The Cat #1 Wally Wood art: #1 issue - 11/72
Chamber of Chills #1 #1 Issue - 11/72
Champions #1 Key Marvel Characters, #1 Issue - 10/75
Claw The Unconquered #1 #1 Issue - 6/75
Combat Kelley #1 #1 Issue - 6/72
Crypt of Shadows #1 #1 Issue - 1/73
Dark Mansion of Forbidden Love #1 #1 Issue - 10/71

DC Comics Presents #1 #1 Issue - 8/78
DC Special Series #1 #1 Issue - 9/77
DC Super Stars #1 #1 Issue - 3/76
Detective Comics #437 The New Manhunter, Simonson art -11/73
Devil Dinosaur #1 Jack Kirby art, #1 Issue - 4/78
Demon #1 Jack Kirby art, #1 Issue - 9/72
Doc Savage #1 #1 Issue
Doorway To Nightmare #1 #1 Issue
Dynomutt #1 Hanna-Barbara, #1 issue - 11/77
Eternals #1 #1 Issue- 10/75
Fear #10 Manthing Series begins - 10/72
Firestorm #1 #1 Issue 3/78
First Issue Special, #1-7, 9-13 Lots of 1st Appearances (4/75 - 4/76)
First issue Special #8 1st Warlord - 11/75
Flintstones #1 Hanna-Barbara TV show, 1st issue- 10/77
Frankenstein #1 Ploog art, #1 Issue - 10/73
Freedom Fighters #1 #1 Issue - 4/76
Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbara #1 Hanna-Barbara, #1 Issue - 12/77
Ghosts #1 100+ Issue run, #1 Issue - 10/71
Godzilla #1 #1 issue - 8/77
Gunhawks #1 Issue - 10/72
Harvey #1 #1 Issue - 10/70
Hercules Unbound #1 #1 Issue- 11/75
Howard the Duck #1 #1 Issue - 1/76
Howard the Duck #12 First appearance Kiss - 3/77

Howard the Duck #13 First full story, Kiss 4/77
Human Fly #1 #1 Issue - 9/77
Incredible Hulk #141 First Doc Sampson - 7/71
Inhumans #1 #1 Issue
Invaders #1 #1 Issue - 8/75
Isis #1 #1 Issue - 11/76
John Carter, Warlord of Mars #1 #1 Issue- 10/72
Jonah Hex #1 100+ Issue Run: #1 Issue (4/77)
Journey Into Mystery #1 #1 Issue - 10/72
Jungle Action #5 Black Panther begins - 2/73
Justice Inc #1 McWilliams art, #1 Issue - 6/75
Karate Kid #1 #1 Issue -4/76
Kazar #1 #1 Issue - two different - 8/70 & 1/74
Kobra #1 #1 Issue - 3/76
Kong the Untamed #1 #1 Issue - 7/75
Korak, Son of Tarzan #46 First DC Issue - 6/72
Kull the Conqueror #1 #1 Issue - 6/71
Legion of Super-Heroes #1 #1 Issue - 2/73
Li'l Kids #1 #1 Issue - 8/70
Li'l Pals #1 #1 Issue - 9/72
Logan's Run #1 #1 Issue - 1/77
Machine Man #1 Jack Kirby art, #1 Issue - 4/78
Man Bat #1 #1 Issue - 1/75!
Man Thing #3 First Foolkiller - 3/74
Marvel Chillers #1 #1 Issue - 1/75

Marvel Classics Comics Featuring...#1 #1 Issue - 1976
Marvel Feature #4 Re-Intro Antman - 3/72
Marvel Feature #1 Red Sonja begins, #1 Issue - 11/75
Marvel Premiere #26, 27, 29-50 Tryout books for new characters. Various first appearances (12/75 - 10/79)
Marvel Presents #1 #1 Issue - 10/75
Marvel Spotlight #12 First Son of Satan - 10/73
Marvel Spotlight #28, 29 First solo Moon Knight - 6/76 & 8/76
Marvel Spotlight #32 First Spider Woman - 2/77
Men of War 1 #1 issue - 8/77
Micronauts #1 #1 Issue - 1/79
Micronauts #8 First Captain Universe - 8/79
Mister Miracle #1 Jack Kirby art, #1 Issue - 3/71
Ms Marvel #1 #1 Issue - 1/77
Night Nurse #1 #1 Issue - 11/72
Nova #1 #1 Issue - 9/76
Omac #1 #1 Issue - 10/74
Omega the Unknown #1 #1 Issue - 3/76
Omega the Unknown #8 1st appearance of 2nd Foolkiller - 9/77
Omega the Unknown #9 1st full appearance of Foolkiller - 10/77
Outlaw Kid #1 #1 Issue - 8/70
Plop #1 Early Sergio Aragones art, #1 Issue - 10/73
Power Man #48-50 Team-ups with Iron Fist begin 10 - 12/78
Ragman #1 #1 Issue - 9/76
Red Sonja #1 #1 Issue - 1/77
Red Wolf #1 #1 Issue - 5/72

Richard Dragon, Kung Fu Fighter #1 #1 Issue - 5/75
Rima, The Jungle Girl #1 #1 Issue - 5/74
Roma #1 #1 Issue- 12/79
The Sandman #1 Jack Kirby art (Winter '74)
Secret Society of Super-Villians #1 #1 issue - 6/76
Secrets of Haunted House #1 #1 Issue - 5/75
Shade, The Changing Man #1 Steve Ditko art, #1 Issue - 7/77
Shanna, the She Devil #1 #1 Issue - 12/72
Shazam #1 #1 Issue - 2/73
Sherlock Holmes #1 #1 Issue - 10/75
Shogun Warriors #1 #1 Issue -2/79
Showcase #94 New Doom Patrol - 9/77
Skull, the Slayer #1 #1 Issue - 8/75
Son of Satan #1 #1 Issue - 12/75
Spider-Woman #1 #1 Issue - 4/78
Spidey, Super-Stories #1 #1 Issue - 10/78
Spoof #1 #1 Issue - 10/70
Spotlight #1 Hanna-Barbara characters, #1 Issue - 9/78
Stalker #1 Steve Ditko/Wally Wood art - 7/75
Starfire #1 #1 Issue - 9/76
Steel, the Indestructible Man #1 #1 Issue - 3/78
Strange Sports Stories #1 #1 Issue - 10/73
Strange Tales #169 First Brother Voodoo appearance - 9/73
Superboy #197 Legion begins - 9/73
Super Friends #1 #1 Issue - 11/76

Supergirl #1 #1 Issue - 11/72
Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #133 First Silver Age Newsboy Legion, Jack Kirby art - 10/70
Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #134 First Darkseid, Jack Kirby art - 12/70
Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #135 New Guardian, Jack Kirby art - 1/71
Super Natural Thrillers #1 #1 Issue - 12/72
Super Villian Team-up #1 Issue - 8/75
Sword of Sorcery #1 #1 Issue, Exceptional artwork - 3/73
Tales of Ghost Castle #1 #1 Issue - 6/75
Tarzan #1 #1 Issue, Marvel - 6/77
Tarzan #207 First DC Issue, Joe Kubert Art - 4/72
Three Mouseketeers #1 Scarce DC funny animal title, #1 Issue - 6/70
Time Warp #1 #1 Issue - 11/79
Tor #1 #1 Issue - 6/75
TV Stars #1 #1 Issue - 8/78
2001, A Space Odyssey #1 Kirby art, #1 Issue - 12/76
2001, A Space Odyssey #8 First Machine Man - 7/77
Weird Worlds #1 Great Edgar Rice Burrough's stories, characters, and art, #1 issue - 9/72
Welcome Back Kotter #1 TV show, #1 Issue - 11/76
Western Gunfighters #1 #1 Issue - 8/70
Western Team-Up #1 #1 Issue - 11/73
Yogi Bear #1 Hanna-Barbera, #1 Issue - 11/77
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can move this to the keys section as being possible picks or something. Don't know if I'd make it a sticky here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice list steve. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

myron wrote:
nice list steve. Thumbs Up



Thanks Myron. I hope someone can benefit from it by scoring a major flip before everyone else gets a clue.

Isn't that what Lyria is all about? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not Thor #225?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ibis wrote:
Why not Thor #225?



Anything connected to Galactus, I wouldn't consider a 'sleeper', BUT if you can pick it up on the cheap, it might be investment worthy. THOR (in those days) was always a good read, and there are many 'sleeper' storylines which may go up in value, such as the Odin-ring storyline around the issue #200 area.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this problem see...I look at this list & I think "c-list"

Forget these "sleepers" & go with steady returns on blue-chip material. Really? Thor 225? Really? I passed on a 9.0 copy for $1 at my LCS 12 years ago (although I did get a 7.0 Jonah Hex # 1 for $1).

My list is simply wait for good (usually bulk) deals on prime material: Conan 1-24, X-Men 94-143, Miller Daredevil, Hero for Hire 1-16, Adams Batman or Green Lantern, etc. They cost more but they will always have some demand.

If you really want sleepers, try pre-1977 DC war books. Star Spangled War Stories is hard to find & features Sgt. Rock and unbelievable Joe Kubert art. The Enemy Ace issues are overvalued right now but it amazes me how one can pick up even highest graded (usually 8.0-8.5) or even 2nd-highest (7.0) slabs of 1960-1964 war books with Kubert art from Heritage almost every week for under $100.

The point is the bronze stuff is even cheaper. Can't find them for $3-4 anymore, but they're still a steal.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally see your point. BUT, just like stocks, you have your 'blue chip' tried and true titles, and then you have your 'penny stock' titles which may or may not perform for you. Since the initial investment is so small, the loss is acceptable, and the up side can be all gravy. You might make a 5%-10% gain on a blue chip flip, while a penny stock flip could have a 100% or more profit upswing, IF you have the time and patience to 'wait out' your sleeper books. Part of it depends on hyping the sleepers AFTER you have a good supply of them. If you know your books, then it shouldn't be too hard to sell the idea of their increasing values to other collectors, without being a liar. IMO, there are truly future blue chip books in my sleeper list.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really understand what this list is. I don't understand why "Spoof" or "Welcome Back Kotter" are on the list. I think of Sleepers as something that nobody realized are good when they came out. Shouldn't a sleeper wake up at some point? I can't see "Spoof" waking up to a huge fan base. Also, it's a cool title, but wouldn't Spoof #5 be a better bet since it's a later issue with a lower print run? Just curious.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You Nova secret is out VK. Apparently it's number 7 on the most watch comics on eBay in the general comics category.

Nova 1 CGC 9.8
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whetteon wrote:
You Nova secret is out VK. Apparently it's number 7 on the most watch comics on eBay in the general comics category.

Nova 1 CGC 9.8



UNreal! Suprised
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whetteon wrote:
You Nova secret is out VK. Apparently it's number 7 on the most watch comics on eBay in the general comics category.

Nova 1 CGC 9.8


Nice! I'm surprised that there are apparently not as many hoarded copies of this issue as I would guess. I don't believe that this one heated up like other BA at the beginning of the CGC craze 8yrs ago. I was seeing Nova 1 for a couple bucks two years ago.

Annihilation did wonders for the character. Can Rocket Raccoon be far behind?



vault-keeper wrote:
Western Gunfighters #1 #1 Issue - 8/70
Western Team-Up #1 #1 Issue - 11/73


I like the presence of these on the list. How many people own Westerns in their collections? How many are being sold and bought? How many are left in decent condition (from any age)? How many collectors are going to spend time and money gambling on the genre? I'd say: not many.

How many are out there with great art, covers, characters, stories and scarcity? Quite a few, I would hazard to say.

IF interest ever picked up there would be a mad scramble for those forgotten gems. BUT interest may or may not ever materialize. There have been movies on a regular basis/ hit shows like Deadwood/ new modern additions to the genre (Loveless+Jonah Hex) but there are too few young readers to discover Westerns, in my opinion.

The only hope for these may be a wave of evidence proving that there are many issues that are rare or scarce in grade (which worked for the Neal Adams covers in Tomahawk). Other than that, a Jonah Hex movie followed by Marvel-produced flicks based on their Western properties (Two-Gun Kid, Kid Colt, etc) may provide the desired result. Actually that may be a way for Marvel to capitalize on their characters without saturating the movie industry with superhero movies. Ironically, the production of Blade was so successful that it ushered in the current spandex wave in Hollywood.

Now, with all that being said I haven't taken steps, myself, to procure any HG Westerns. BA or otherwise. I'd better get crackin'.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whetteon wrote:
You Nova secret is out VK. Apparently it's number 7 on the most watch comics on eBay in the general comics category.

Nova 1 CGC 9.8


That is amazing . . . just amazing . . . is it a fluke ?

I wonder if I have waited too long to get a true HG copy of this book . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said...nice list VK.

I actually approve of the list as I probably have most of them with some exceptions. I'd like to fill in the ones I am missing. I always would like to think I can "wait out" the sleepers waking up. Ive been collecting for 30 yrs now and Im only 41, so I'd like to think Ive hopefully got another 20 - 40 years left at this. There is no panic on the wait and I know I have the patience.

When you buy these on the cheap and then a decade or two goes by and suddenly the value that was hidden does finally wake up...well, that's what made a list like this all the more important to you when you were out getting them all those years ago. The importance may have seemed small then....but you knew compared to other very ordinary issues around it...these had significance all their own and are and were and still are, very worthy additions to your collection. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

siren3-4 wrote:
whetteon wrote:
You Nova secret is out VK. Apparently it's number 7 on the most watch comics on eBay in the general comics category.

Nova 1 CGC 9.8


That is amazing . . . just amazing . . . is it a fluke ?

I wonder if I have waited too long to get a true HG copy of this book . . .


I don't think they are to hard to get in NM but the prices for CGC books are getting a bit ridiculous. I bought me 9.4 copy for $35 a couple years back and currently GPA list the averages at $96 for a 9.6 and $77 for a 9.4!
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